The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Absolutely. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. For evidence of a free-roaming, wild and native mountain lion, we must look back to 1874. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. So give us a call now. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Thank you. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. On a dirt road. Does not test random Scouts. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Thanks very much. The last Massachusetts Mountain Lion was killedaround 1858. It's you know I recognized their report and. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. And it's not really strong. The experts' take on what happened last Saturday when a mountain lion killed one cyclist and injured another outside of Seattle. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. So. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. So. The next day I crossed the river and took pictures of a paw print he left behind . You saw what you saw. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. I didn't see him online. Patrick Tate: Yes. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. So one thing I'll add. John you're on the air. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Mountain lion DNA was recovered from a Petersham, Mass., close to the New Hampshire border, after a 2016 incident in which a horse was injured. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Here it is. On June 9 2021 I saw a Mountain Lion along the Connecticut river in Clarksville New Hampshire . There was a lot of DNA evidence. According to the Nebraska Game and Parks report, a homeowner heard growling coming from underneath his porch while working outside. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. I'll send it to you. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Let's look for other evidence. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Possible Mountain Lion Sighting in New Hampshire CONCORD, N.H. -- The New Hampshire Fish and Game Department today reported that one of its staff members, following up on a routine report of a mountain lion sighting, saw what is believed to be a mountain lion in a rural area of Barnstead, N.H. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. But you've done some reporting on this. What kind of animal is that. In latest school funding trial, state attorneys argue NH districts' budgets are bloated, Lawmakers, advocates, families in NH react to Biden Admin's proposed Title IX change, Give Back NH: The New England Grassroots Environment Fund, NHs housing crisis is pushing more older adults to seek help. In recent years, number of reported cougar sightings has never dropped below double digits, according to data from New Hampshire's Fish & Game Department from 2010 to present day. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Is that typically what was happening there. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Caller: I have yeah. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain. A lot of times. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Okay. Thank you very much for listening. He was just walking along the river then went up into the woods . She is renowned for tracking. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. Caller: Oh yeah. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. They sent it already. When the federal Endangered Species Act came along, the Eastern Cougar (Puma concolor cougar), the subspecies of Mountain Lon ti hat orgi inally occurred I think that you probably are. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. The last known mountain lion killed in New Hampshire is displayed at the Woodman Museum in Dover. Part II. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. John is calling from Bennington. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. How far were you from this cat. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. But no proof was offered. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Theres tracks everywhere. Cougars are believed to have died off in New Hampshire in the 1880s after deforestation and hunting drove them to extinction, according to the 1950s book "A History of New Hampshire Game. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. Patrick Tate: Well. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. You need a permit to have that. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. There are corollaries in other states. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. You know interactions are pretty unusual. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Thank you. . The report came in from a conservation officer. Thanks for calling. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. More recently, in 2011, a mountain lion roamed Connecticut before being hit and killed by a car. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. What Really Caused Washington's Cougar Attack. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. "Of those three to five reports, one. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Really appreciate it. New York on Easter Sunday. Part II. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. Really appreciate it. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Patrick Tate: Yes. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Well I can't tell you what you saw. Border New Hampshire Public Radio | Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. The scientific name for the catamount is Puma concolor. Phone number 1 800. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. I'm Peter B yellow. Jun 13, 2011. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Peter Biello: Wow. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. 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