1/ Build the area up if you can not remove. regards. The grass is fine in very warm conditions, however I would advise sanding it quite heavily using kiln dried sand brushed in to the pile which will increase the fire retardant capabilities of the area. Do I put kiln sand on the grass, Hi there , I would install the hot tub and then fit the grass around the edges. Hi there, if this was my garden I would remove all lose, broken and protruding slabs. When ready fit grass, do not over stick, leave areas for water to escape around perimeter. Therefore, does this mean the idea of installing grass on top of the current slabs whilst drilling some holes for drainage wont work as I cannot fathom removing all the slabs and preparing the sub base again. Read your piece and the foam does not seem to let liquid through. Fantastic, will definitely do that with the kiln sand. document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Kent Simply roll out cut to shape and stick around the edges . If the answer is yes then follow the steps below. We thought the underlay would assist with making the crevices in the slabs less easy to feel and less visible and help preserve the lifespan of the grass. Hello, The drill bit came out with sand on it. After researching, i had looked at doing a timber frame to house a 75 mm sub base made from 10 mm compacted limestone chipping (in case of potential drainage issues), presumably this would be laid level and not on a fall due to the potential drainage problem, and then following that add, again level, 25 mm laying course of compacted limestone dust before screeding and laying the grass. Hi there, times and methods change, as the grass has been developed and installation methods advanced, we have found ourselves using top dressing less and less. I will be laying 10mm underlay / shock pad under Artificial Grass on top of flag stones. My main concern is that if I lay grass on top of the current slabs, will the water not just sit under the grass and take much longer to dry, if ever? We could but some planters on the edge if that would hold it. There are a few other uneven areas too. You do not need to sand. My advise ,is to rip it up and start again from scratch using type 1 as the base to build on instead of timber. Can I just glue it or will I have to nail/screw it? Finally, how do we go about making the facing edge that you see as you come out the patio doors astetically pleasing to look at but more importantly trip safe? Once this is done simply add whatever you need dust wise (its fine to add old and new, however it maybe a good idea to rake the old to break up the surface making it easier to bind). I have a garden patio currently with patio slabs on it. regards. What I would suggest is to spray all weeds off with Round Up weedkiller. You may be able to concrete in a 3 by 2 or turn it on its side. Can I butt the grass up to these or do I still need a timber frame? regards, I have a concrete slab 4.5m x 3.5m good condition and level regards, Hi Gavin, great advice I will be following your guide. I was wondering can I use my left over 20mm ballast as a base on top of soil then use a membrane? I understand I can drill holes in these areas. and my question is shall I fill in holes with 10mm shingles to the top? My question is, this site is coastal and subject to very severe winds, how can I ensure efficient rainfall run off from under the turf and at the same time, prevent the severe winds from ripping up the turf. regards, Hi i am wanting to put artificial grass on a concrete surface which is bumpy in a few places how can i smooth them out i dont want the artificial grass to get damaged from constant rubbing will abit of dand do the trick also do u have to build a frame to stop the sand escaping. At the end of the fall is the 9 open end fitted with iron railings. Im wanting to lay on top of a concrete patio but there is a 1 inch step up in the middle of the patio. 2/Chip off the rough areas and lay a thicker grass. regards. I presume that the previous owner who decided to slab the whole garden area (which used to be natural grass) as they had dogs would have prepped the sub base accordingly before slabbing it. How do you attach the underlay to the concrete? I assume you have gone on top of the flags, did you break them up? We buy our foam from another artificial grass supplier. Just unsure how to stick the middle down. The whole underlay conversation I suppose is down to each individual , it will not preserve the life span of the grass at all , as the grass will weather in exactly the same way depending on footfall and usage. The 20 mm lip around the edge using concreted in timbers allows you to build up with granite dust to the top of these levels and makes the area self contained otherwise it would get washed away over time. Glue as close to the edge of the perimeter as you can. Thanks for replying and for the information! I would cut to size and then to add weight I would brush in a few bags (maybe more depending on size) of kiln dried sand as this will hold it down. I want to lay artificial grass on this then put a hot tub on there, it has had a hot tub on the slab before. Hi there , we always concrete our fixings in so there is less chance of movement . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Hi Gavin I also understand that I glue down the artificial grass around the perimeter only, but I cant find if I glue the underlay at the perimeter only, or glue down the entire area, or something like glue perimeter but also glue a few stripes across the internal area? Firstly, the use of a thin shock padding after drilling 15mm cores in badly drained areas and filling we pea shingle . Hi Lee, Hi there yes you can just make sure the drainage is good and the tarmac is in good condition. 57 North Cray Road regards, Hi Gavin regards. The protruding area has a beam and block roof covered with a concrete slab, which has a fall over the full 20 width. And what if the water doesnt drain? regards. By design the slabs arent flat hence water sits in some of the crevices during heavy rain but will eventually dry. Artificial grass laid onto concrete and after experiencing heavy downpour with no surface puddles appearing we thought the drainage was fine, but then after another downpour a week later we have kinks and bumps in the grass. How to Fit Artificial Grass Rain water does pool in these areas. Hi there, I have a concrete are designed for a conservatory so is very flat and puddles in two locations. I have a large bricked area though with a drain in the middle, one small area of the yard collects water as there is a little dip. The drainage is good and the base isnt moving anywhere, as its been down a while and pretty compacted. Hi Gavin, I would always recommend at least 2-3 inches of sub base and compacted in Type 1. Hello, we are installing turf in the lower level of our backyard. Priority will be given to answering questions from people looking for Perfect Grass to fit and supply our own artificial grass products. 1-2 inches around the perimeter. There is a slight decline on the area, I plan on rolling the grass down (2 x 4m width rolls), does it matter if also roll underlay down, or should it be rolled across, or does it really not matter? I realise what you say regarding leaving a 1/2 inch gap around edging when placing the foam and thanks for the tip regarding gaffer tape!!! You may wish to brush in some kiln sand ,maybe 2 x 25 kg bags to pin it down and improve durability if it will get lots of footfall , this will also take the edge of any sharpness in the under surface. One is around 5m x 4m and one is 5m x 5m. Would you suggest using the granite instead or going with the sand and cement and drilling drain holes? The concrete base is around 250mm thick so not really viable to dig out. Ok, so should or should I not use kiln sand as from reading your installation guides, I had understood that this helps keep the grass held down. I have also attached a picture (hopefully) of where the water has been holding to see your opinions on if this is a drainage issue or not! I intend to drill (approx) 12x 16mm holes and fill with 10mm shingle just to be safe with the drainage. Thank you for your time! The grass can then be simply fitted and stuck intermediately around the edges to the concrete. You can simply lay the grass over all of it including the drain and the water will pass through it , again if you do not wish to glue you could heavily sand the grass with kiln to pin it down. Hi Gavin, Im thinking of putting artificial grass on an existing decking, do i need underlay? Simply lay the artificial grass on to the smooth, flat area to be covered. This will allow water to pass through under the grass as it moves down the incline to the drainage points. Finally, I lifted one of the slabs and found what looks like a mortar mix (sand and cement). Over the last couple of weeks I have killed off the weeds that were appearing through the gaps between the slabs. Also, will pinning the perimeters work by pinning directly into the sand? At this point is the compacted dust solid enough to be able to drill into to secure my fence supports? Or if they are slabs maybe go back on slab and angle grind a groove for the grass to be tucked in or if it is concrete how about adding a slab on the top step to cut and stick to. If you are not worried about the tiles you can drill cores in them and add pea shingle , or alternatively you can use self levelling compound to take the dips out. The underlay we recommend allows water to drain through. How to Install on Concrete Last question, promise if we opt to lay the grass on top of the slabs after drilling holes (and use/do not use underlay once decided) should we spread kiln sand evenly over the area? And after drilling the holes, will the ground underneath (presumably a layer of mortar mix then some sort of type 1 all whacked down) be pourous enough for drainage? perfectgrassltd.co.uk/installing-artificial-grass/ The area previously had slabs on it for a number of years. Used self levelling compound to help the patio slabs but wasnt great and some puddles were left after we did hosepipe test! regards, what would be the process for putting artificial grass on earth and what underlay would you use to help drainage, Hi there please visit our web page Maybe using something to build up that water collecting area first? So that when we move out and remove the grass the ground will still be in the same condition. Make sure the area is clean, if there are any pooling areas when it rains you may wish to drill some 15mm cores and fill with pea shingle. Thank you so much for the prompt response, and keep up the great work mate! What depth of 0.5mm granite do you use and can these items be bought from builders merchants? There is a retaining wall that runs along the back, and it has a footer that runs about a foot out from the bottom of the wall. Gavin is the founder of Perfect Grass Ltd. My real question is, should I just lay the grass as is, or should I add some newer sand to the existing compacted sand, and should I use a weed membrane? regards, Hi Gavin, i have two areas of artificial grass to fit. Hi well there is nothing you can do if you do not wish to ruin the tiles. regards. We are looking to lay artificial grass on a flat concrete square (essentially, 4.86m x 4.48m) with concrete border edging on the left and the right where the flower beds are, concrete wall at the top and nothing at the bottom, as it is a step down. Hi there, what we have done before is to use the patio base as the sub base. We generally leave a 1 inch gap around perimeter to glue the grass directly to surface, leaving gaps again for water to escape. Or, should I leave a small gap around the edge of the foam underlay and glue the edges of the grass to the concrete balcony? You can obviously cut along the step line making sure its neat with no over hang and then glue heavily. Is there a chance I could have a site visit conducted to confirm the best way to proceed? The membrane can be bought from most builders yards , we use a woven membrane . Regards, Hi Gavin The concrete isnt in the best of condition judging by the appearance when Ive lifted a few flags. We use a 10mm Foam Shockpad Underlay. By breaking the slabs around edge means you can set the timbers down a bit from the patio and so you wont need as much top layer if not set them on their sides and you may have to top up with type 1 before putting on top layer. Appreciate the response! Laying artificial grass on concrete can be a great option for you because: I have previously written a general guide on installing artificial grass on soil. regards. Do not over glue the grass as this will stop the flow of water trying to pass through it. Hi there, the problem with adding some sand to the area is it is only going to work temporarily as it will wash away pretty quickly. regards. regards, Hi Gavin, We add weight by brushing in kiln sand into the grass pile which will reduce any puffing caused by the underlay. About Us regards. I really dont want to cause any drainage issues any advice would be greatly appreciated. I have lots of underlay left over from laminate floor installation, would this be ok to use instead? If you do use an underlay leave small gaps in between each strip and a 1 inch gap around edge to glue the grass to the base. regards. All these methods have been used successfully and there is no right or wrong way its purely down to budget and work load. Can artificial grass be laid on Tarmac drive ? The actual glue is called Aquabond. There is so much artificial grass used in Spain already on roundabouts, road verges, shopping centres etc. Cut your grass to size and stick around the perimeter leaving one foot gaps every few feet so the water can escape. Firstly the idea of putting timber down and using aggregates on top is a huge no ,as the timber will warp and rot quickly as well as retaining the water , secondly if you then drill holes ,the sand will wash through and the grass will sink. regards, We have used adhesive to stick the edging down, it was fine until we did that so that why I think it was the adhesive and edging. regards, Hi I am planning on laying artificial grass directly onto my existing slabbed patio. 1/ lift the grass carefully and may be drill a some drainage cores 15 mm wide and fill with pea shingle which will help water escape . If I drill holes, will I not end up cracking the slabs? In principal, do you think this will work? The underlay can be spread out in any direction over the concrete area to be covered. Hi there post wise, they would all need to be fitted and secured first before any work on grass starts. Hi there I would stick it directly down onto the slabs/blocks around the perimeter leaving gaps of a foot every foot or so and obviously stick round the corners and access points . The design of the slabs means its not 100% flat, but pretty close. regards. Will that be adequate drainage if the dogs are peeing on it (we would plan to hose it down occasionally and use odour-control spray). None of the slabs are fixed by any cement or adhesive, and the slabs are in a square, kept in place by flower bed borders at the East & West perimeter. Also, what do you recommend to glue it down? Many thanks Dez, Hi the idea of leaving a gap for the underlay it gives you a small channel clear around the edge to run some glue beads to attach the grass. Being aware of the importance of drainage, I allowed it to rain to ensure the water cleared. There are several solutions to this common problem. Also any guidance to laying would be really appreciated. I agree to receiving the latest news and promotions from Perfect Grass Ltd regarding our products. Bexley It can be simply laid on top and very lightly stuck down around perimeter leaving gaps for the water to pass through. The slabs may break but as long as they are firm, they are ok ,if not they will need removing and the area filling as explained above . Can the artificial grass be laid without causing any damage or marking to the ground underneath? Have a look at the post from Melissa below as an alternative way of fitting using what you have as a sub base. Ive also considered adding kiln sand, but dont like the idea of the clean up everytime the kids come in running in and out though, or would this not be an issue? Thanks again for all your advice, really appreciate it. Here are some more detailed instructions on joining the grass. We leave gaps in our gluing to allow the water to get out. Thanks in advance, great site, and great youre helping so many people, Hi there, spot on mate, as long as the surface is pretty flat the grass will be absolutely fine. I currently have textured flag stones down and am looking at my best options of laying artificial grass on top. Hi we only use glue from Envirostik. Hi, through years of experience a simple layer of sand isnt sufficient if you want your product to look good for a long time, i.e. Fit the grass, if you leave a gap down the side of the timber to the edge (approx. I would plan on adding no top dressing at all unless it sits up and needs some added weight in areas to push it into the slabs. Essex I have a small fence i want to put up, of which i require 2 square metal support plates to be screwed down for the fence posts! If you can try and lift it carefully without tearing it and then re-trim. Depending on what you want the area to be used for and look like you may want to consider building a base around it using the concrete for a sub base. With this tho if I leave gaps between the underlay will it be felt under foot and visable once it settles! If there are any areas which are lower and need building up simply fill with Type 1. Many thanks. Ive seen some rubber edging strips but can these be glued down and how do you allow water to drain past it? As the drainage is so strong, and the surface is basically flat, Ive thought about laying a weed membrane on top of the slabs, then rolling the grass straight on top of that. Cut to shape with a sharp Stanley Knife using Hook Blades and leave for a few hours to settle. regards. Hi there, sometimes it is simply about working with what you have. We had though of just placing the grass and not using any glues or adhesive but Im worried it will move around or be a hazard. Can you use no nails/gorill glue to stick the grass to concrete please? It has taken me many years of hard work to be able to provide the type of artificial grass installation service we now offer. Regards. How far down should I drill each hole? Because the sand is already quite flat as is, I was just going to treat the existing weeds, level the sand and lay the grass straight on top, pinning the grass at the perimeters with the sand? regards. Thanks for your help! My plan now is to buy some kind of drainage mat and put that under the turf, then top with durafill. My idea is to build a frame on top of the concrete to make the ground level and ensure there is enough drainage and then either fill on top of the concrete with sand or cover with PVC sheets to make a base for the artificial grass. Concrete currently slightly sloped and very bumpy / uneven. I would always recommend granite 0-5 mm as it binds together so much better than sharp sand, but if you cant, it will have to do however I wouldnt use more than 1/2 inch of it, top the area up with type 1 and compact, again to stop dipping. regards. Hi Gavin what would you recommend if we are putting fake grass down over existing laid solid concrete flags in an internal swimming pool surrounding? A compromise will be needed though if you expect a lot of people walking over the grass as in this case a shorter pile is more preferable. My grass will be bordered all round by a sandstone patio and sandstone blocks. Alternatively i was going to mix some cement into it effectively creating a solid level concrete base then lay the grass on top, but i do have two dogs so worried about smells? Due to the ice and heat on the dogs paws I have been using Eva foam mats but these are not suitable in the wind. Thanks mate!! Would we need to relay the base again to even this out, or do you have any other suggestions? Your email address will not be published. It is really difficult to judge if we should use underlay especially when we only have a tiny sample piece of grass to put over a crevice and test walking on it. If it does great no further action is required. regards. Also how do you stick the middle down glue to the underlay?? So to help drainage I drilled 16mm holes all over the patio area paying attention to problem areas (mostly puddles!) Yes the grass can be laid down steps but you would have to glue it so heavily, so there is no trip hazard that if you ever wish to remove it it will be impossible. Would a timber sub frame to bring the garden up and self levelling compound be ideal or another way youd recommend? Lightly sand with kiln sand and brush in. Ok, I will drill further down with a longer drill bit and see when I hit the substrate then test drainage and then decide which method to use. regards, Hi gavin iym doing a 5m4m area how much sand will I need to put on whats best sand and how many bags will I need, Hi there we only sand a grass with kiln sand if it needs it because it isnt sitting down onto the base and has some puffing .I would generally take a couple of bags along I think they are 25kg. 2/ Replace grass and sand with kiln dried sand , brushing it in with a broom this will add some weight. Initially the grass will offer some extra cushion however the grass will get squashed very quickly with constant footfall and it also will be slippery in the winter when it becomes icey. However dont be under any illusion that the grass will cover up the problems of the base. Many thanks, Hi there a thicker grass hides more lumps and bumps however 4mm doesnt make huge amounts of difference. This should now be a good enough surface to lay directly on, personally I dont see the difference in using an underlay and a thick grass (which will compact very quickly if you have heavy footfall) and I always find underlay to be hard work using, as it comes in 1-2 m widths (we dont use it anymore at all). Hi Gavin I am planning on laying on top of concrete slab and as its so bumpy i have bought a 10mm underlay just wondering how to stick it all down you say leave 1-2 inch gap around perimeter but would what show and a 10mm defect around or does his still apply for 10mm underlay!! Thanks! We usually lay out the foam and use gaffer tape to hold it together so it doesnt curl up whilst you are fitting, we leave and 1-2 inch gap around perimeter . I am wanting to fix artificial grass to an ugly 2.5 ft breeze block wall. I need to try and ensure any water is clearing first. Membrane first , type 1 and then the top layer of granite 0-5 mm if you can get it. regards. regards. You can follow Gavin on Facebook. Good luck if you intend laying the artificial grass yourself. I poured water in this area and it didnt really soak away and took a long time to clear. regards, Thankyou for getting back to me gavin great advice thankyou, for future grass laying I will use the advice of no underlay! Hi Dont over glue leave gaps for water to escape. regards. Hopefully this will be the last hurdle before getting the grass down!! regards. not to sink and to become waterlogged in the winter. The slabs are textured, so not perfectly smooth! Simon, Hi Im sorry to say this is recipe for disaster . Then simply fill these drainage holes with type one and compact as much as you can (these will sink if not properly compacted). Also will we need sand/cushioned underlay for it to be soft to play on at a 30mm thickness? Do I just tack the edges of the grass so it will allow any water to drain. did you take up the flags and use mortar as sub base/ add extra type one? I dont want to cut corners, but dont want to make work for myself either! We are using a foam underlay on top of our patio slabs. Great installation guides, thank you. Is this actually possible as Im struggling to think of any other way? Ive just read you say no need to lay underlay just thicker grass so can you advise which is a more suitable height 26mm or 30mm? regards, Sorry, when you say fines, is that a typo? Once this is done break up the mortar (if any) in the gaps (this will be good for water to escape). You can then sand the grass all over with kiln sand this will pin it down into the underlay. Hi Gavin
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