Jiren The Gray transforms into Burning Ultimate Warrior, has Pure Progress, and wears device. Biggest reason is that Beerus viewed him as an absolute non-threat in the anime (Bear in Mind that Zamasu is literally the universe itself, similar to how Ego would be Planet level just by being a Planet alone), plus there's the whole Beerus + Champa fighting= Destruction of both Universe 6 and 7 and dividing that by 2 is real, effin' high-end Low 2-C. Also don't we already have a separate Low 2-C Zamasu thread? Doubt Angels can do anything to him. Fused Zamasu also wouldn't likely fare much better against Jiren either. Dragon Ball sometimes gets out of hand when it comes to their celestial deities and the powers that they possess, but the Grand Priest is a successful example of less being more. It's interesting that Jiren can't beat IZ, because he was supposed to be canonically superior; kind of shows how not even the authors themselves have total control over how powerful the characters are, they might end up making a character too powerful by accident. Apr 21, 2019. Whis surely can deal with him. In the manga, after Future Trunks cuts the half-defused Fused Zamasu in half, Goku Black and Future Zamasu seemed to be defused. Jiren cant contend with either Perfected Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego, so theres no way hed stand a chance against Black Frieza. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1409099#20. zamasu never lifts anything is the problem, the most moving he does is expanding and moving around, if he is moving around he has to be able to lift himself. That should be Universal+, I'm pretty sure since it's two separate universes unless I'm completely forgetting something. Infinite Zamasu, after fully forming, was going to literally break through the boundary between the Future Trunks' timeline and the present timeline through sheer power after it took over the entirety of the multiverse. Infinite Zamasu was able to repel a combined blast from Vegeta's Final Flash, Goku's Kamehameha and Future Trunks' Galick Gun without taking any damage. From memory Zeno lamented the ugliness of the universe and said it couldn't be allowed to exist or some shit like that. Dragon Ball fans have gotten used to Vegeta following in Goku's footsteps and struggling to match his milestones. In the anime, a short time after Fused Zamasu is split in half and seemingly destroyed by Trunks, vanishing into nothingness, Fused Zamasu's will survived as a result of Future Zamasu's immortality and appeared as a large column of dark energy that erupts from the place where he disappeared, growing up into the sky and splitting into multiple beams before taking on a cloud-like form. Evil Vegito Vs Evil Gogeta power level. Official Superhero Database stats. A lot of dangerous Dragon Ball villains have made bids for power, but Frieza is by far the most persistent of the lot. Well, unlike a planet that is held down by the Sun's gravitational pull, thus eliminating the need for a planet-person to actually lift their weight up, an entire universe does not have that kind of luxury, and he is actively holding the whole thing together, so he would scale, no? Jiren blows up the timeline and takes Zamasu along with it. 19 _Goku- 3 yr. ago There is a way, they nuke the universe Zamasu resides in, before he gets the chance to spread, but that's extremely OOC for either of them. present timeline. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! If so, there's a case to be made for both Jiren/Infinite Zamasu to win here. However, Vados is occasionally the subject of mockery since she's saddled to Universe 6's uncouth God of Destruction, Champa. Being the Legendary Super Saiyan, Broly is someone whose powers are exceptionally higher than that of the average Saiyan. Dragon Ball has teased Gohan's potential ever since his first appearance and he slowly surpasses not only his father but every other Saiyan once he accesses Super Saiyan 2 strength. Sounds that Zamasu had polluted the fuck out of it. Hit VS Jiren! So my reply to this topic would probably be merged zamasu simply cause he is immortal from the dragon balls but thats my opinion, still jiren can be infinitely stronger or weaker then zamasu or be at the same power but do to consequences of it being inside a different dimension we cant take to many feats in that realm to show who wins or not, meaning all we can do is compare them both to goku and use goku as a reference to show who is more powerful then the other, so lets take gokus max multiplier compared to super saiyen 3 i have ever seen from seth the programmer which i dont really know what to think about and he thinks super saiyen god is a 200,000,000,000 times multiplier compared to ss3 so that makes gokus god form 8e+13 times stronger then base form so if we keep in consideration gokus super saiyen god super saiyen form is just super saiyen god with super saiyen form merged that adds a 50 times multiplier onto that then adding in the the times 20 multiplier from kaioken times 20, and knowing he used the spirit bomb as a power source for his ultra instinct that means the only thing we can do is assume the spirit bomb gave him another x20 multiplier for energy at least so although we dont know his true power of ultra insinct we can only make assumptions so i just gave another times 20 multiplier and that makes ultra instinct 1.6e+18 times stronger then gokus base form at least or bassicly 1,600,000,000,000,000,000 and we are gonna keep it that way to stay accurate as possible and now knowing jiren didnt have to difficulty of a time handeling goku lets be generous and say he was only giving it his 1% all and that would mean jiren is 158,400,000,000,000,000,000 times more powerful then gokus base form and thats being generous, now knowing the rings multiply both users power together that means knowing merged zamasu is pretty much on par with super saiyen god super saiyen kaioken x20 vegito that means with the x20 multiplier from kaioken and x50 multipler from the super saiyen form all stacked on top of gokus god form which is 8e+13 times base form originally that makes it 8e+16 with those stacked on top know since the rings multiply the powers together and knowing goku and vegeta are close to the same power that means 8e+16 times 8e+16 = 6.4e+33 so merged zamasu is at max 6.4e+33 times gokus base form or bassicly 6,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger then gokus base form and that means ultimately merged zamasu is 40,404,040,000,000 times stronger then jiren at least and thats being generous the only time it would be off is if the authors made ultra instinct more OP, or bassicly plot induced crap happens but thats the only thing that can change this, cause right know im just using pure logic and scienctific reasoning so you can choose to believe it or not but this is how i will back up my claim (which is better then nothing imo). Jiren is definitively stronger. !" . This is a stomp. Base Jiren loses. This thread is pointless, tiers are given through sheer size, and arguing that the saiyans held back an attack for a moment only shows that they should also be low 2-C (on a much lower level, but the same tier regardless). Why couldn't you just listen to us and not make this thread? Zamasu and Vegito would easily beat base Jiren, at the very least. So, what you are saying is Zamasu's form and power level literally cannot be on different tiers? After repelling the attack, he proceeds to blast Earth with huge amounts of energy beams that level the surface of the planet to nothingness. This is both Infinite Zamasu & Jiren The Gray from both Dragon Ball Super manga & anime before their deaths without any injuries. Infinite Zamasu wins both rounds. He doesn't have to kill Zamasu, and probably won't even attempt to, so there is no fear of Zamasu going full T-virus and infecting the universe. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. unless universes dont work like that Im db, or Im just being dumb, If we agree zamasu merged with the universes which is never stated btw. Zamasu would win with immortality, Jiren has no way to beat him. Tunexlife. Jiren wins if it's Limit breaker. Initially, when Fused Zamasu's time ran out, Infinite Zamasu began taking on the form of his fusees. One way of stopping it is creating a discussion rule and closing any threads that are made by giving the reason "this has been discussed countless times before". You need high level hax to deal with this form of zamasu. Why are we bringing this up in this thread? Jiren fails to hit him before Zamasu becomes 2C and spanks. Black Frieza is the result of ten focused years of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. 2017? The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu. That being said, this means that hijacking the universe and becoming a spacetime would only affect his form, whereas his power level would remain exactly the same, Nothing is wrong, only Zamasu's will overflows that allowed him to achieve being a literary 4D being, now Jiren and Goku climb to release energy infinitely greater than Zamas or be linked equal to Bill who sees Zamas as a non-threat. That's what happens. Fought and damaged Super Saiyan Blue Vegito[3]), far higher with Gigantification (Became even stronger, albeit at the cost of speed[3]), can possibly ignore conventional durability with his Sickle of Sorrow | Low Multiverse level (As stated by both Gowasu and Beerus, Zamasu, in this state, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order. Similar to how Ego would be Planet level just by being a Planet alone, similar to how Ego would be Planet level just by being a Planet alone, And since ki flows into ones body and is being capeable of getting drawn out, zamasu is using his own ki, I think that getting tiers via being something is really weird, like one time I tried to upgrade Goku to class Y lifting strength because he stopped planet moro's attacks, but I was told that moro only scales to that as the full planet and not his physical stats, so I actually support this CRT, it doesn't make sense why the others scale to zamasu who got a tier via being something but at the same time not scale them to LS or moro or zamasu because hear this, (bold) they got the tier via being something. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Cookie Notice @frocharocha: When has Jiren cut anything? However, Vegeta, who had been powered up by his fury as a Super Saiyan Blue kicked Goku out of their grasp and firedGamma Burst Flashat the two Fused Zamasu's, blowing them into bits. I would have to search for it. When he isn't writing, he is often reading all sorts of manga. Protectors of the universes not able to do something about the threats what a joke. Jiren can't. "Zamasu to Burakku - Fukamaru futari no nazo . It's not about the battles. Fight takes place in the 7 Universe for whatever reasons, R2: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren and MUI Goku. ps: if you are like but what about jirens walking through time feat well the thing is just as i said with the infinite feat the dimension might effect results, and its stored up time from hit that is used not the universes time itself meaning its not infinite, and still cant be calculated unless you wanna risk being infinitely off lol :P. Also this is me looking at the anime zamasu mainly because i dont know too much about the manga version to decide. [url=https://www.superherodb.com/jiren-db-vs-infinite-zamasu-db/90-250062/][/url], https://www.superherodb.com/jiren-db-vs-infinite-zamasu-db/90-250062/. This means that no matter how much Hit improves his Time-Skip technique, he is still more likely to lose the fight than win. And jiren is still above all of them. Thats not that insane of a feat compared to shaking the world of Void (which Im sure is a universe simply devoid of anything) by merely flexing his ki while heavily suppressed and being beyond time itself according to Vados Yeah, only Zeno can overwrite the Super Dragon Balls' power and kill him because he's the being with absolute power/authority/whatever in the multiverse. He didn't think he could take him. As such, there are countless individuals in Dragon Ball who slowly get bested by Jiren in combat. @markx: it toke Zeno to get rid off frost frost so yout argument has no point xd. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Merged Zamasu as of his first appearance, except he starts at full power instead of waiting until his face has been kicked in. But once Zamasu fuse time ends, every piece of Zamasu Jiren cuts from his body becomes a new fully powered Merged Zamasu. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Seems like people just agreed because "he is a spacetime continuum". When the two Zamasu. We have moved to a new external forum hosted at https://vsbattles.com. This Infinite Zamasu completely regenerated an attack from Vegeta Not only that, but he made even MORE clones afterwards The point is that, he literally ca After Fused Zamasu is defeated, Infinite Zamasu is born and starts assimilating the universes and invades the Time Nest in an attempt to kill the Future Warrior along with the Supreme Kai of Time and Old Kai. To put that into perspective, Broly was able to fight and overwhelm two Super Saiyan Blue-level warriors with a mere Super Saiyan transformation. Well,the universe itself doesnt collapse in on itself, but thats not really due to any property of the universe other than whatevers causing it to expand from what I know. Votes shouldn't be counted. to "fusion zamasu (super dragon ball heroes)", the three of them could momentarily defend themselves, even while weakened, and they were ultimately overpowered, but survived, he knocked the shit out of Goku and Vegeta in his grotesque form, he folded them immediately after coming into existence, nonviable examples of Stabilization Feats, https://vsbattles.com/threads/minor-infinite-zamasu-addition.114702, Dragon Ball Super Anime: Fused Zamasu and the Rival Danger Scale. Jiren can't beat infinite zamasu, he would have to destroy the universe first to get rid of him, Jiren have infinite 3D power due to shaking the World of Void, he stomps. I have literally never seen someone on this site ever bring up LS in a vs thread. Speed, strength, and unique techniques are useless against someone who can wipe out a universe in a snap. Jiren Can seal him up, same go for Goku and the angels It's too late once he's infinite. Where is that even implied? The cloud then spreads across the surface of the Earth, surrounding it entirely before taking on a sinister appearance with Zamasu's face printed all over it and constantly emitting insane laughter. Dragon Ball Super's manga wisely puts Vegeta on his own path that reflects his own strengths rather than merely imitating Goku's accomplishments. Both the Zenos are fascinating figures who act more like infant children than destructive tyrants. Unfortunately for Kefla, Jiren is far stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku, who beats Kefla without even being at the top of his game or fully understanding his new strength. Ill give you that. Goku and Beerus fist bump and destroy the universe with Zamasu as Goku IT's them to safety. It was already mentioned that "Becoming the universe" was stated when he only started to expand and appearing in other timelines came after he pretty much fully merged. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. His own twisted idea of justice and order made manifest.Gowasu in "With New Hope in His Heart - Farewell, Trunks". In Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, Dr. Hedo releases Gamma 1 and 2, an Android duo that puts every past model to shame. For other incarnations of Zamasu, see, List of characters killed by Infinite Zamasu. We have no idea how it works, and probably never will. He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel. As I always had problems with people scaling to IZ or above him, I agree. I am not sure why we would assume his lifting strength like that unless we are saying he can lift himself? How about an "Inapplicable" rating? Reasonably, he can just beat him up then vape him completely. The fact that Shadow called this a stomp with good reasons apparently doesn't matter. Zamasu was considered a prodigy and incredable powerful by his own kind standers but he was . Did you check the thread where it was first accepted? Whis simultaneously trains Goku and Vegeta, which is no small feat. A Super Saiyan Blue fusion is intensely powerful and it becomes the world's saving grace during Zamasu and Goku Black's calculated reign of terror. In fact, Infinite Zamasu does not show any awareness of Future Zeno whatsoever until the instant he is about to be erased from existence by him. Pretty sure eating a spacetime continuum would make you Tier 2. Merged Zamasu. Hell, even Goku thought he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean available Infinite Zamasu required Zen'o himself to get rid of. #1. Fused Zamasu is an immortal evil, but Vegito still dominates the fight and the only reason that he doesn't secure the win is that the fusion accidentally wears off. Merged Zamasu should win. > Bumping a thread only 9 minutes after the last answer. In the anime, this being is the surviving will of Fused Zamasu left over from his destruction because of Future Zamasu's immortality. These clones can also block Ki sensing), Size Manipulation (Can increase his size), Rage Power, Afterimage Creation, Likely Analytical Prediction and Light Manipulation (Via Solar Flare), Electricity Manipulation (Via Lightning of Absolution), Explosion Manipulation, Possibly has Sound Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Pressure Point Strikes, and Energy / Ki Absorption, Half of his body adapted to gravity via the Gravity Machine and has Resistance to Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a God), Extreme Heat, Extreme Cold, Harsh Temperatures, Cosmic Radiations, Paralysis, Time Stop (Goku Black stated to possess all of Gokus abilities), Attack Potency: Low Multiverse level (At least as strong as Infinite Zamasu, who is simply the disembodied will of himself that spread across the universe after his body was cut down. Dragon Ball Super spends a lot of time establishing the threat of Gods of Destruction, but it's actually their supplementary Angels that possess greater power. No longer confined by his divine vessel, he may be trying to become part of the very fabric of the cosmos. Forgot if he was referring to the regular one or the Infinite one tho. Zamasu Wins both anime and manga. Anime Zamasu gets railed until he becomes Infinite and then its just kind of incompleteable for Jiren. This upgrade allows him to eviscerate the Heeter Forces Gas, but he also knocks out Ultra Ego Vegeta and Ultra Instinct Goku in a single blow. Promotional material doesn't mean anything if it contradicts the story. Damaged Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta enough to knock him back into his base form and render him unable to move for a while[1], which Infinite Zamasu couldn't do to Base Vegeta[2]), higher with Light of Justice (Much stronger than before. And Jiren could probably win with just glares. What is up with that? 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