There are locking pins integrated inside the units. The more you drive it the less you hear it but its mostly present on idle. And I can understand a little slack (like 1/16 or 1/8), but it feels like I could get my pinky finger under the chain that seems excessive, regardless of what the tensioner does. bimmerfest.com is not in any way affiliated with Bayerische Motoren Werke AG. Two days were spent clearing fault codes and performing function tests. Error Code P052B takes place when the PCM has monitored an "overly" - retarded VVT position for camshaft timing on bank 1. Hello again, hope you having great day!! For reasons I dont understand the faults are cleared. Page 4 of 4 If you are using a Main labor code for (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The ECM (Engine Control Module) is an extremely able computer that manages and monitors the vehicle's engine ignition system, mechanical positioning of the rotating assemblies, fuel injection, emission systems, exhaust, transmission, among countless other systems. The replacement bolts are like .28 cents each. I am not sure if it was the wrong filter. Nope,,,,I have never heard of car data for further evaluation,,,if they took a look and said everything looks ok,,,,I would hold on to my $200 dollars. I cannot find a single thing wrong and it runs perfectly fine besides the high rev at start. It could be,,,they do make a knocking noise normally. That why they did that 7/70 for certain models and years. I can appreciate the design challenge of getting the tensioner force just right too much and it prematurely wears out the guides, chain, sprockets, bearings, etc. Have no timing chain issues as of yet? Yes it should,,,,but sometimes some random faults might still be their, The service engine light has not cleared. I am thinking about buying the chain stretch tool myself, and presuming the chain runs within spec, just upgrading the tensioner and keep my ears open in case the whine becomes pronounced. (not including CAS) This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. Just need to clear the check engine light. I dont know if failing VANOS system should give any data to computer and should show somekind bad data or shouldnt show anything. Sounds like wrong oil. The P0012 is a trouble code that often pops in OBD2 scans of BMWs and it means Intake Camshaft Position Timing- Over-Retarded (Bank 1). 3: 130304 VANOS (Variable camshaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck Also that didnt make a difference and fault is still on outlet side. When a camshaft sensor fails, the check engine light will illuminate and a fault code will be stored. howd you guess? Hi bmwtechnician, iTrader: ( 0) N20/N26 DTC P052B/P13C0 right before first CA SMOG test. How could I tell the time to open the engine is my best option. I went and checked the code: P13C9: VANOS, exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck. Anyways I spend 20 hours replacing the chain. Free shipping for many products! The oil and filter have always been genuine BMW. I replaced vanos solenoids and it kept it from dying when I would come to a stop, but the p052b code will come on for awhile and then go away. It's always a good idea to refer to your specific model's service information first. Note: The "A" camshaft is either the intake, left, or front camshaft. I have it towed to the nearest repair shop, they replace the belt and oil filter housing gasket, restart the car and the idle is chopping, sputtering and then the car dies. to performing repairs, please see SI B01 02 11 for Emissions Warranty Coverage and refer to the Where's the location of this? I Ask an Expert Car Questions BMW Questions I have a 2013 bmw x1 with an n20 engine that has a code Daniel, BMW Diagnostician 2,207 Satisfied Customers BMW Master Technician Daniel is online now Continue Related BMW Questions which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Join Date: Jul 2014. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): I dont have that issue with city driving. This way I dont have to set up any timing if I do it one at the time. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. E84 Thanks for your time. No there was no recall on the high pressure fuel pump on a N20,,,the only way to know if it is going bad would be because of a check engine light coming on for the high pressure fuel pump,,,replacing it is just straight replacement no programming. I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. I bought a BMW F20 118i with N13 1.6 engine. NOTE: Remember that an ECM can easily be replaced when there was actually a defective engine sensor, which can be a result of an overlooked detail in the initial diagnosis. 61 00 720 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) 1d2404 Map thermostat, activation, line disconnection The actual degree values for both varied by a few degrees and the actual angle shown is my average value. Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. I really appreciate if you can have an input on it. Clutch seems fine no vibration or variation in noise with clutch engaged or disengaged . Quote 02-16-2020, 04:43 PM #2: Trainwreck914. JavaScript is disabled. For this reason, they've designed the VVT system. Seems like the locking pins are stuck. Crankshaft Front And Rear Oil Seal Dismantling Tool For Bmw N20 N42 N45 N46 N52 N53 N54 N55 Buy Injector Puller Tool,Engine Timing Tool,Auto Repair Tool Product on. E89 Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. Im a little concerned about an underlying knocking. This increases general efficiency in the operation of the engine. Left/Right and Front/Rear are determined as though you are sitting in the driver's seat. My trusted mechanic also listened to the engine and said it sounded quieter than other N20/N26 timing chains that he fixed. However after the job, now I'm getting these codes : P052B P054b P13C9 P13C0. Warranty. . Ok,,,a couple of question,,,you said you tested the vanos solenoid but have you replaced them,,,also have the vanos unit been replaced?,,,,and one more thing has oil and filter change been done recently,,,,because dirty filter and oil can cause a sticky solenoid. I have a theory that the high-pitched whine is coming from the top surface of a loose chain rubbing the guides. Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. 2A7A DME: Variable camshaft timing control, exhaust, cold start. I dont think genuine camshaft sensor will solve your problem,,,I think the timing chain might have jumped causing the camshaft to be retarded. Symptoms when timing chain fails is engine wont start,,,engine wont turn over,,,,have your mechanics see if he can turn the motor over by hand with a breaker bar on the front crank bolt. PROCEDURE (LogOut/ When the compressed air and fuel inside the chamber mix together and are then ignited, it will produce noises. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. three fault codes are No turnover on start at all. The double whammy is that not only did they not put enough spring force into it at first, they also didnt have enough travel to take up additional slack. BMW offered me 20% off a brand new engine. Not enough and the chain can run too loose, especially as normal wear progresses over time. :dunno:. Hi I have a 2013 bmw x1 with a N20 engine. Engine oil level is too low. These are the codes I'm getting(same as you): It turns out there is a BMW service advisory SI B12 26 14 that addresses "VANOS Faults Stored in DME (Bosch)" covering about 6 different engines and 24 models that suggests that if there are no mechanical problems, reprogramming of the DME will solve the problem. That much is obvious from the redesign. Be very careful when disconnecting any injector connector, during diagnosing. . designates changes to this revision Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. Note: When the ISTA system message displays: Battery voltage only XX.XX V. Please connect Strange also noticed if the car is parked on a upward gradient the noise is slight. Changed the exhaust VANOS. The only fault was still the boost disable fault. I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. Appreciate 0 Tweet. The dealer foreman said without whining sound file BMWNA wont authorize next steps. 126. Appreciate 0 Quote 08-06-2020, 02:07 PM #5: slas1990. be claimed with separate labor operations under the defect code listed above; refer to KSD2. There were no faults. Thank you for the overview. Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 Is it possible I should use genuine bmw parts. The BMW X3 28i is not the only model BMW that received the N20 in 2013. Wont restart. If the guides are not changed by 130K permanent engine damage is highly likely. and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. Exhaust Camshaft: Installation faulty. I am wondering if fuel pressure has anything to do with it. The P052B code is a problem that should be immediately taken to the mechanic because it is a highly complex, not to mention, severe issue. But that means the camshafts can come to rest slightly out of timing, and only are properly timed when theres hydraulic pressure! Thats very sad,,,,I wonder why only certain countries have coverage and some dont. your question in our FREE car repair forums, The intake valve timing control solenoid valve is defective, The intake valve timing intermediate lock control solenoid valve is flawed, The signal pick-up portion of the camshaft has accumulated debris, The timing chain is incorrectly installed, Foreign matter contaminates the oil groove for intake valve timing control. Bimmerpost Model Selection. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. Covered under the terms of the BMW New Car/SAV Limited Warranty or the BMW Certified Pre- 4. Perform a vehicle test. Just want to follow up what should I check next. 2D56 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached Potential Causes - Contaminated oil passage at VANOS solenoid valve. Recently serviced for oil change and spark plugs last month. If you still need help regarding the P052B trouble code, please post This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. Rep. 452. If performing other ISTA diagnostics and related test plans results with eligible and covered One or more of the following faults is stored in the no hesitation. Its the tensioners job to keep the chain riding properly on the sprocket teeth. ), diagnostics will vary between makes and models. Looking forward to the return of your blog. He did suggest to authorize diagnostics($200) so that the shop can dump car data to BMW headquarter to further evaluate. Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. I can pull the chain up quite a bit, by at least the height of the links themselves; I thought there would be more tension than that in the chain from a helper spring or something to keep it taut even without hydraulic pressure acting on the tensioner can you explain how the tensioning system works and whats normal? Come join the discussion about Bimmerfest events, production numbers, programming, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Ok Ill do that. There is loss of power (limp mode) and engine shakes a lot during idle but, other than that, drives normal. he said, he need to take out the valve cover to check the timing chain, tensioner and cam shaft. I have changed timing chain on 2013 BMW 328i xdrive this is the codes Im getting 131501 120408 131908 . . Drives: 2008 128i. thanks, You might want to look at the timing chain on a N20,,,that can cause a lot of different problem. Please help! Can this make acceleration less smooth? Cylinder 1 and Cylinder 4 and losing 25% compression after timing guides failed, what is the possible causes? Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? How about the scenario for the code p052b. If you are using a Main labor code for The BMW dealer wants 1300 for the repair, which is of course a lot of money. Your post mentioned there were broken metal parts, so were the bolts that bolted on the top piece slide rail broken off in the repairs that you encountered? Mileage 116000km. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence Think this is causing the pinging i was concerned about. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. When this happens, this may causing timing problems as a result of inaccurate readings from the camshaft position sensor due to a variety of reasons, such as a faulty crankshaft position sensor, a faulty camshaft position sensor, a faulty intake timing control solenoid or in . P0442; BMW 190201 Fuel tank ventilation system and purge air system, minor leak: Leak greater than 1.0 mm P0456; BMW 190302 Fuel tank ventilation system and purge air system, . Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.51.0 or higher. Charging pressure control: Switch-off as consequence You referenced this TSB in your comment to Ronnie back in 2017. Hi Andraes, has BMW field engineers offer any explanation how this whole mechanism failed? Any other things to ask for/look at, short of pulling the valve cover? Sheared cam bolts. The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle I have a 2013 bmw x1 with an n20 engine that has a code p052b. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. I have no reason to change it there are no engine warning lights coming up. Vehicle makes may include but aren't limited to VW, Audi, Ford, Nissan, Hyundai, BMW, Mini, Mercedes-Benz, Jeep, etc. I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. - Defect in wiring harness to VANOS solenoid valve. bmw n20 system too lean ygrene miami. Thanks for responding. The only odd result is that the desired angles of 0 and 0.6 had actual angles that were off by ~8 degrees. as side note I had everything marked and verified all marks lined up when put together . Ive got exactly the same issue with mine, yet to be found by several mechanics, Im unsure what it is. New Member. Please note the displayed battery voltage reading in the repair order comments section. Hello there, loving your info. Hi bmw technician. The crank pin to hold at TDC goes through the tiny hole pointing to the rear of the car by the catalytic converter, the only thing this would be able to hold onto would be the flex plate/flywheel. The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 12-18 BMW 228i 328i 428i 528i X1 X3 X5 Z4 - 2.0L N20 TURBO ENGINE CYLINDER BLOCK at the best online prices at eBay! Very good,,,are you sure you arent a engineer,,,,lol. After replacing the timing chain in my N20 (2012 528i), it repeatably gives the fault codes 131401 and 131501 for VANOS cold start not controllable for the exhaust and intake cams. Maybe the function test is different with cold start faults present. I went to look it up online only to find the site got shut down last October. Stored Codes. 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable G42Model Year: 2021 + F44Model Year: 2020 + Previous Generations; F22 . Specific eligible repairs may also be covered by the terms of the Federal, State or BMW Emissions Found a low mileage used engine for $4800. Preventative maintenance suggestions? Glossary of Emission Coverage attachment for more information. January 15, 2023 October 13, 2022 by Carolina. I dont know about this M62 V8 timing chain guide issue,,,I have never seen any timing chain guide issue on that engine,,,I have seen guide crack but it never caused the timing chain to jump and cause more damage,,,,Im not saying it never happen,,,Im saying I have never seen it happen in my 35yrs working for BMW,,,,now the rodent issue we see it almost everyday when it gets cold outside,,,,I understand the use soy in the harness which the rodent can smell and like to chew on. We include basic steps below but refer to a vehicle year/make/model/powertrain specific repair guide for specific steps for your vehicle. Heres a hot topic with a lot of BMW owners,,,,this car came in with check engine light on and engine whine and rattle noise,,,,check engine light was low oil pressure and jammed oil pressure ,,,,,I noticed the timing chain whine but the engine was also rattling,,,,I removed the valve cover to inspect the timing chain,,,,you can see the chain rail missing and jammed under the vanos unit. As you can see there's is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the . The oil temperature was 90 C. Once the car started without faults the oil level check worked fine. How much out-of-timing will the system allow before it throws a code? 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